Junior Hunter Tips for Nevada’s Big Game Draw

This week on Nevada Wild, Aaron Keller and Bobby Jones sit down with NDOW Conservation Educator Logan Klonicke to talk all things junior big game hunting in Nevada. From Nevada’s strong junior hunter opportunities to application strategies and changes coming to the 2026 season, this episode is packed with helpful information for young hunters and their families.

The crew also covers open hunter education classes, tips for navigating the draw process, and what junior hunters should know before applying.

If you know a junior hunter, or you’re a parent looking to get your kid into the outdoors, this is an episode you won’t want to miss.

The Nevada Big Game Draw application deadline is May 13 at 11 p.m. 

Apply today at ndowlicensing.com.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:22

Welcome to Nevada Wild, brought to you by the Nevada Department of Wildlife. I'm your host, Aaron Keller, joined with Bobby Jones. He's the outdoor connection coordinator for the department. And special guest today, Logan Klonickey. He's our Western Region Hunter Education Coordinator. Thanks for coming in.

SPEAKER_01 0:40

Yep, thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_02 0:41

I had to drag you guys down the hall to get this one in, but um we're very excited to talk about our um big game application, but specifically we're going to talk about junior hunts application strategy, all the different things. We've been uh open for applications for a little more than a month, and uh I mean it's like every night when I go to the ball field, somebody's asking me what should I put my kids in for, what's the hot unit, all that stuff. Um over the last couple weeks we've talked to the biologist and the staff guys about like population trends and what looks good, you know, where to put in things like that. Today we're gonna dive in to junior strategy though. And uh we're all fired up about it. We've had to start this podcast like five times because I'm kind of uh I don't know, I got my my brain is going a bunch of different directions.

SPEAKER_00 1:39

So You got yourself fired up there. We were gonna not we were just gonna let that flow under the bridge and not tell anybody, but I'm glad you brought it up. I've never saw it happen before. We've redone it once, but never five times.

SPEAKER_02 1:50

Well, I think I was telling somebody in the hallway that um normally this time of year, like when I get the applications in for myself, I don't really get that nervous or like think about the draw or anything. But my son is twelve, and so I'm he's in now this year, and so it's like I really want to do it right because you know, it feels like you only get so many chances.

SPEAKER_00 2:09

Well you do only get so many chances. That's part of the part of the deal, right? Junior program twelve to seventeen. Yeah. That's your window.

SPEAKER_02 2:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:16

So you want to I mean Hey, I have I have a question based on what you came in with the intro is hey, everyone at the ballpark, you know, Huntley's down there playing baseball and you're talking to the parents and they're asking you what are you where should they apply? What have you been telling 'em?

SPEAKER_02 2:31

Well, it depends on the person. So because there's a lot of people that like to stay they're like, hey, I would just want to stay close to town, right? Or close to the city, and then there's some people that I know like to camp and they're a little more adventurous, and so it's there's a little a few different things, but um kind of to your point, it's there is some like ground information that we want to get out to people about the junior uh uh program.

SPEAKER_01 2:57

Um Logan, do you want to tell us a little like do you want to kind of get into what the program is or Yeah, so uh the junior program um it's a allocation of a certain amount of tags every year that get allocated for juniors only. Uh a couple years ago it was just meal deer, and then I think last year or two years ago we added in uh Antelope Horn Shorter, which is a great first hunt for a lot of juniors. Um so just a certain amount of tags for I think m almost all the units in the state um have 'em, so better chances for kids to go hunting.

SPEAKER_00 3:33

Yeah, and I'm trying to ballpark it. I think the junior mule deer program has to be over twenty-five years old at this point. And I'm I'm almost positive it's about a twenty-five percent allocation of the mule deer tags that go to support the junior hunt program. So it's just a proportion, whatever the quota is, that chunk goes to juniors, and that fills out that part of the program. And yeah, like Logan said, the horns shorter than ears, antelope started last year, and I think you were talking about it pretty exciting right off the bat, is um tons of good feedback from parents and kids, and like they're out in the field having fun, they're seeing animals. Really fun hunt.

SPEAKER_02 4:12

Yeah, and that I mean the whole junior uh tag program has been very successful. It's been a great kind of recruiting tool. Um, definitely positive feedback from from parents that have have gone on hunts, and um, you know, we've talked to people that have their kids are gone through the program and gotten multiple tags, and they say it's like the best time of their hunting career is hunting with their kids. And um kind of to your point, most of the units have um junior tags, and there's actually two different types of junior mule deer tags, right? Um one is the classic. Classic, yeah. And that is the archery, muzzle odor, ri any legal weapon, and then the other one is called primitive, which is just archery and muzzle odor. And they're kind of spread out strategically throughout the the hunt units and um and the idea behind that being was to try and provide people with a little more opportunity.

SPEAKER_00 5:15

So more or less, right? Your harvest success on muzzle odor, archery tags is lower than any legal weapon hunt. So if they were they made the split from having the three hunt seasons to two and one, then they could o we, the department could offer more tags for the same amount of harvest. So just trying to spread that opportunity. And I'm I'm I'm gonna jump ahead really fast because I don't know where we're headed first, but you said it, there's a lot of people, and I'm guessing as a parent, right, your kids are in sports, things are going on, school in the fall, don't have tons of time, it ends up being a weekend or two that a lot of people dedicate to the hunt, so maybe they're not taking advantage of all those seasons anyways. But what I would encourage people to do, just looking at kind of the the hunt data and what people are doing, application data, is a lot of people just apply for the unit closest to them that they've been told. So for people in Reno, it's Mount Rose 194, 196, maybe they have a second choice, but usually it's just that and there's a small handful of tags for that unit, and tons of people, hundreds of kids are applying for that. So it's a really p easy way to not go. Right. And I just would I don't know. I'm gonna encourage parents to make a weekend trip out of it, at least have a few choices, but you know, if at all possible, fill up your choices.

SPEAKER_02 6:41

Right. Even if it's if you think about within one hour of drive of Reno, there's your odds go quite a bit higher. For sure.

SPEAKER_01 6:51

To draw just getting out to Fallon, a little past Fallon, a lot of better odds of drawing a tag.

SPEAKER_00 6:57

Yeah, and I guess we should even take a step back for people. If if this is going to a parent, they've got a 12-year-old, they've never gone through this process before. In Nevada we have a bonus point system. Um for every year that you apply and are unsuccessful for a hunt, you accrue a bonus points. A bonus point, they are they compound over time and give you much better odds in the future. Um but taking, for example, you're starting out with none, you've kind of got one shot at it. But in Nevada, what's unique compared to most states is you're given five hunt choices for any hunt, and your application, when it comes up in the system, each choice is assessed before moving on to the next applicant. So Huntley Keller applies, he's got five deer choices, it goes to the first one. Hey, his application came up, hey, do we have any tags for the first choice? No, we're moving to the second choice. Hey, do we have any tags for the second choice? No, moving to the third choice, and so on and so forth. So all of your choices get looked at before moving to the next applicant. So just for people to know, like that's how you end up getting your third or fourth or fifth choice, was there weren't tags available for your first couple choices, but there were at whatever you were awarded at. It's kind of how that shakes out.

SPEAKER_02 8:11

Right, and that's that's the same for juniors and adults. Like if you're a parent, it means for everybody. It's first through fifth choice, then moves on to the next person. So when you're unsuccessful, it means that you've had choices that have already been allocated. And sorry, sorry about your luck.

SPEAKER_00 8:26

Yeah, and when we say the the junior hunt gets twenty-five percent of the tags, that's a good point, because I know parents want to apply with their kids, and I'm gonna tell them don't do that. Let them apply in their own, only because if you apply as a party with a junior, then there have to be tags available for you as an adult. Everybody in the party has to be able to be given a tag when you come up in the application. So it's just a lot harder to draw. So if you want to take advantage of the junior hunt program, let them apply maybe with another junior if you want to have a group of people go, um, but avoid the the parent applying with the junior.

SPEAKER_02 9:06

Yeah, it's a hot tip for sure. Um and then Logan, you've been teaching some big game application strategy and seminars and um some really cool stuff. I went to one of them. We talked about it a little bit on uh one of the last podcasts, but uh any like frequently asked questions that you get at at the seminars that you'd want to throw out?

SPEAKER_01 9:27

Yeah, I get asked a ton, even I help a lot of people put in for tags when they come into the office, um, and it's still surprising how many people don't use all five choices or they're in a crazy order. Um so the main thing I've been telling a lot of people is how to rank their choices. Um you want your hardest to draw tag to be one of your uh first first or second choices, then an easiest to draw tag is your last choice. Um so if there's a unit that you want that has ten tags, that better be your first or second choice. If it's your fifth choice, you're never gonna see it. Whereas if you have a unit, say area ten with a lot of tags, um, as your first choice, you're not even gonna get ran through for your fourth through uh fifth choices. Uh so putting lesser tags or more desirable hunts up up top, easier to draw, uh slight maybe less sort desirable towards the end of your application. And make sure you use all five choices.

SPEAKER_02 10:22

Yeah, so similar to what Bobby was saying, have it have have all five choices because they're gonna go through one through five. And if if you've only have three places you want to hunt, that's fine. But just make sure they're in the correct order. Um so they don't draw that easy to draw hunt when you might. Um and I mean the strategy as far as putting in, like we we talk, we work really in the weeds on some of this stuff, but some people just want to go hunt a certain area, right? And so maybe looking at putting in some of the the primitive or the um classic or whatever combination, but just make sure you put those in order as well, um, so you can hunt the unit you want, but that the in the right way.

SPEAKER_01 11:04

That's another big one I get to is can I do all three weapon classes for a unit? Absolutely. That just counts as three choices. Right. So if you're typically riot rifle tags or any legal weapons will be harder, so put that up top followed by muzzle order than archery.

SPEAKER_00 11:20

Yeah, I was just making a little list here because I was thinking about what Logan was talking about when he said crazy order. It's not crazy to the person putting it in, right? They're not thinking in terms of odds, quotas, demand. But there are at least three places I could think of off the top of my head that you could go on the top ten resources and do your own homework. One is Hunt and V, and it will rank the um how hard tags are relative to one another versus the other hunts. That's one way to figure out kind of demand for the hunt. Yep. You know, and if it's the hardest, that would be your first of the list, and you know, one that's ranked, you know, 45 out of 50, that would be near your bottom. Um, another thing you can look at is the bonus point tables that give you an idea of what people are applying for with how many points and who's drawing the tags. And then the third is there's an Excel file on the top 10 resources. Um, when you click into the hunt stats, and it's 2025 Nevada Big Game Hunt data, and it's a huge Excel file with a bunch of um drop-downs that you can click through, but you can look at the demand, um, the unique number of apps for each hunt and those kinds of things. Uh, you can also look at the drawer eight and just compare those to one another. But those are a bunch of different ways that if you just use one of those things to kind of rank out the hunts that you're looking at, you can figure out more or less which ones are going to be on the hard to draw side and which ones are gonna be easier and how to kind of go through those choices.

SPEAKER_02 12:46

Yeah, and so and then you can also find all that information on endow.org. And then if you hover on hunting, and you should be able to get to the top ten resources from there on the drop-downs at the top of the top of our website. Um, we're trying to make that stuff a little more accessible to people that are that are looking for it. It is still kind of in the weeds on that. I mean, if you you can get a little overwhelmed, so if you have any questions, give us a call. Um we have people ready to answer your questions, like Logan said, you can come in our office um and we'll help you apply. We have laptops in the lobby, and um that's for all three of our regional offices, um, Elko and Vegas. Um what about somebody that's on the eastern side of the state? Are there um any hot tips that you'd give them as far as um juniors?

SPEAKER_00 13:35

I I feel like they're at a big advantage, right? And it just has to do with water and where some of our bigger populations are. If you're in somewhere between Elko and Ely or anywhere on that kind of eastern northeastern part of the state, we just have a lot more big game hunting resources, right? So if you want to go to the big six unit or seven or ten, um they're all in pretty decent shape as far as I know. I mean just you have more options, or if you're in the Ely area, I mean all those hunts are great. I know it's you know known for elk, but I'm sure there's lots of young deer hunters there having a great time, like applying for those units. Yeah. Just a lot more options. I'm I'm thinking of the big hubs, right? Vegas and Reno, and just trying to encourage people to look at traveling a little bit or being open to it. And if not, and you're okay going for a number of years without a tag, that's okay. It just if you're a junior, you really want to take advantage of being in the junior hunt program. I mean it's just such a fun time. I was thinking about this driving in, was that the experiences that you have at twelve and fourteen and fifteen in these different ages, like they're huge. And uh yeah, core memories, get a deer, don't get a deer. Like I mean, I just remember yeah, there's so many things that I remember growing up, like it's really formative, right? Like that's where you learn all the lessons, that's where you figure out all the stuff. Like I just remember being sent off, like, okay, walk down that ridge, like we'll see at the bottom, right? And I'm twelve. Yeah. Or I'm fourteen or whatever, and just experiences of just learning how to do the stuff and having a great time.

SPEAKER_02 15:14

So as a guy that's um in the weeds and in really into the details on draw odds and like what you should be putting and how you should be ordering your choices, like can you give us an example um of like so and maybe explain draw odds and why you maybe want to spread them out a little bit or stratify your choices a little bit? Can you explain that like as basically as possible? Yeah, as easy as possible. I know it's a lot.

SPEAKER_00 15:42

We tried to think through an example for you and say like Huntley is thinking about applying, he's 12, he's willing to hunt with different uh different hunt seasons. So I put this this short list together. Is your first choice? Say you're applying with no points, 194, 196, any legal weapon, you're looking at about a 1% chance, 1-2% chance, depending on what you know, odds, tools, type information you're looking at. So that at the top of your list is that's in case you draw a great number. Right. Right, and it can happen and people do it, and you might as well, you know, shoot for the moon. That's close to home, uh, totally fun hunt. Uh second choice, I have on here 195 classic, so you get all the seasons. It's hard to draw, but not quite as hard. Say it's 7 to 10% in that ballpark. Uh third choice, going traveling, going to area 7, any legal weapon hunt, and I've got that at about 32, 35%. And I'm gonna click through the other two and I'll I'll come back to the numbers and why they're why they're relevant. Um traveling, not quite as far, maybe a little bit harder of a hunt, but 17 any legal weapon hunt, fourth choice, almost 80%, and then fifth choice, seven primitive, which we had leftover tags last year. So I would expect that you draw that if you didn't draw any of the other choices 100% of the time, or pretty close to it. And the reason you hear those numbers kind of stratified is that you're trying to take advantage of all five choices is more or less all that that's doing. So if you hit a great number or you're really close to the front of the line, maybe you get your first or second choice. Um maybe you get a better than average number and you hit your third choice. And how how I like to think about these things in terms of the probability is each one of these eats up a little bit of the next one. So even though I say uh 80% for your fourth choice, uh 171, 173, any legal weapon hunt, there's a chance you draw each one of your first choices. So really, um, if your third choice is about 30% and your fourth choice is about 80%, you've only got about a 40% chance of drawing your fourth choice because it's been eaten up by all those other choices, right? But it's just a probability game, and it spreading them out gives you chances at each one of those kind of tiers to get as good of a tag as possible, assuming that you like that order, right? That you want to go on all those hunts. But if you put your seven primitive weapon hunt second choice, you're never drawing the other choices. You're getting either your first or your second choice because there were leftover tags. So that's the value of putting the easy to draw tags later. Because if you put them high, or say you just put it first choice, pretty much your next four choices mean nothing because as soon as the application comes up and goes, Oh yeah, we have primitive weapon tags in area seven, you're getting that tag.

SPEAKER_02 18:44

Right, that's the importance of ordering them.

unknown 18:46

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 18:47

And to Logan's point earlier, you don't want to put a like air quotes first choice, like as your third choice, because those are usually gone by the time they get there.

SPEAKER_00 18:58

Yeah. I mean Well, and and you'd also have to have all harder choices in front of it for it to matter. And somebody's driving down the road, listening to this, and I just spouted off a bunch of numbers, but you don't have to think about it in numbers, right? If you have a medium choice in your third slot and an easy choice in your fifth slot, that's what we're talking about. But if you put the easiest choice first, you're never gonna get to choice two through four. And if if that's where you want to go the most, that's okay.

SPEAKER_02 19:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:27

It's just it you can kind of take a couple different views at it. And yeah, and at the end of the day, you want to be happy where you're going um or where you might be going. I just like to encourage people, especially thinking about the juniors, take advantage of how many tags there are. Try and go a few times. Like experience a new unit, like have an adventure, even if it's a weekend, even if it snows and you're cold. Like that's fun stuff. Kids need that. Right. I need that. Yeah. When but this is kind of a I don't know why you're asking me the questions. What are you thinking about? Like how are you how have you started to settle this out? Are you still nervous and trying to work through it?

SPEAKER_02 20:03

Yeah, I mean, I ultimately want a tag for for him. Um not necessarily for me. Um, but you know, he's super excited, he's, you know, glad to be a part of the the process and and all the different things. And um, so yeah, we're just I mean, we're probably gonna do we're we're gonna do pretty aggressive as far as his first couple choices, but then after that we're probably gonna be pretty open to to whatever and and you know hopefully he gets a tag, and if he doesn't then we'll be you know, we'll be one of the ones in the second draw or the first come first serve. And um you know, to I think Logan might have said it earlier, but your juniors are allowed one or the other.

SPEAKER_00 20:49

I don't know if we got to it yet. I think you gotta explain it.

SPEAKER_02 20:51

Yeah, so one or the other is uh you either get a deer tag or you get a horn shortening ears antelope junior tag. Um but you can't have both this year. Last year they were only able to get both and in an effort to kind of get more kids um successful in the draw and out in the field, uh they decided to to s kind of split the programs and make them two different draw um categories, I guess, or that so your deer is going to be drawn first, and if you're successful in the deer, it'll um it'll kick your horn shorter in your antelope application out.

SPEAKER_00 21:27

We should say that specifically just for the junior tags, right? If you draw a junior mule deer and uh horns longer than your antelope, that's perfectly good. It's just for the junior hunts.

SPEAKER_02 21:38

Yep. Yep, and so um but it is there is a little bit of strategy there. If you if you would rather have the antelope tag, like you can maybe shoot for the moon on the deer. If you get it great, if you don't, you get you know, bet good pretty good chance to get antelope tag. There's other opportunity you might be able to pick up deer tag later.

SPEAKER_00 21:56

Yeah, and if um I could tell anybody anything. If you're applying for junior tags. This year with this scenario where you're only gonna get one, a lot of kids are gonna be applying. If they're applying for both, a lot of kids are gonna get a tag this year. Most the vast majority of kids will get a tag.

SPEAKER_02 22:11

Hopefully, yeah. I mean that's the looking at the numbers and trying to I mean the system's uh I mean it's not one to one, but we are trying to um you know, trying to make the most out of the opportunity we have, and and I think it's great in that way.

SPEAKER_00 22:25

I mean it is selfishly it is a little bit of a bummer that we Holly wasn't in last year because two tags last year, but um it is what it is, so we're we're just gonna And you said the strategy, but for people, just so they know, we should say you only get one in the draw, but if there's anything available in the second draw or first come, first serve, you can pick up another tag that way. Another junior tag that way.

SPEAKER_02 22:49

Yeah, it you don't only get one tag, you just get one in the main draw. After that, it's free I don't know what you want to call it. They can get whatever.

SPEAKER_00 22:59

When they're and that's just for the junior program, but we probably should get into hey, don't just apply for the junior tags. If you're applying as a junior, there's tons of other hunting opportunities that are ripe for the picking. Yeah, we're just getting started.

SPEAKER_02 23:12

Yeah, we helped a buddy uh apply a couple days ago and it was funny. We were we were giving him a hard time because he came in and we helped him through his application, but one of the things that stood out to all of us was we were joking with him and we said, Hey, you're gonna apply for for this or that and he was like, Of course I am. Why w why wouldn't I? Or he he was like we're like, You're just not gonna just apply for points, are you? And he said, No, we want to go hunting. And that's the point, is like you have to apply to get the tag. If you just apply for um bonus points, you're not I mean you're one hundred percent not gonna get the tag, right? So your odds like you might as well put in and take a shot and if you get the tag, go try for it.

SPEAKER_00 23:55

Yeah, and you have the best experience with this because a couple years ago when we first had the moose hunt, it went to a twelve year old.

SPEAKER_02 24:04

Right, we had a twelve year old family friend that I that I knew, um, draw the tag, it was one of the best experiences for him, his family, and I mean great example of like everybody has a chance.

SPEAKER_00 24:18

Yeah, and just to the the idea of hey, I don't know if they're ready for this or you know if you thought that way for the moose tag, right? He doesn't get the moose tag, but there's so few and it's so hard to draw, I would just encourage people to apply for the tag and you know, figure it out. But you get it, figure out you want to go.

SPEAKER_02 24:36

Yeah. Yeah, we've after crunching some of the numbers. I mean, we had a guy that drew a Rocky tag last year with one point. I mean, some people are gonna hate that, some people are I mean, us, we're like, heck yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:47

That's incredible. It's incredible. It actually shows you have a chance no matter what.

SPEAKER_02 24:52

And his odds of drawing that with one point are lack of a better term, worse than drawing the moose tag. Yeah. Like his odds of drawing that are pretty way out there. But it's the same with anything. Like if you don't shoot your shot, you're not gonna make it.

SPEAKER_01 25:07

Yeah, a little luck goes a long way.

SPEAKER_02 25:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:09

Yeah. Um and but still, even worst case scenario, if for whatever reason, like hey, we're not doing anything these months this year, but we're applying for tags for the first time, buy a point for all the stuff you might want to hunt in the future because it's not gonna hurt you at all. Only gonna help you.

SPEAKER_02 25:27

Yeah, I mean, worst case is uh you know, you apply for points and and next year you you have a good point going into the draw, so or into the application. Um so anybody that's listening and they're haven't got their kids into hunter education yet. Can we talk about that, Logan? Because I know that you've been we've been chatting about that.

SPEAKER_01 25:47

Yeah, um so the for the hunter safety program, we stack the bulk of the classes from January 1 to um May 9th this year. Uh this this Saturday will be the last weekend before the main draw closes to get a Hunter Ud class in. Um so make sure you got your workbook done or the online program done. Uh then make sure you get into this Saturday here at Valley Road. Um and there are plenty of seats open for it, so come in, walk in. If you haven't done Hunter Safety, this will be your last chance uh before the main draw. Um we will have a couple more for the second draw. Um I don't remember when the second draw is scheduled, but uh we'll have them periodically throughout the rest of the year if you don't make it for the application. Uh yeah. January 1 to mid-May usually Yeah, so we're still stacking in classes statewide.

SPEAKER_02 26:41

Um talk to the other coordinators, they have classes with seats available. Um write in Reno, Vegas, Elko, all over. Um just go to ndot.org and then just click on um outdoor education and you'll be able to find our calendar and then just pick on the first class that you can make. There I was my point was like there's still time. Um you can get the online version or the come pick up workbook and get it done. Um it does take a little bit of work on the the kids, but it's I mean a couple nights of working on it and you're good to go. Um you could definitely get it done by the weekend and and jump in that class and be done. Um classes are super fun. If I was a parent um listening, definitely go to class with your kid. Um show support for them, um, get them excited and then apply. I don't think we really set it, but the application deadline is May 13th at 11 PM Pacific.

SPEAKER_00 27:34

Um It's never too late to apply.

SPEAKER_02 27:37

Yeah, we'll we'll be on helping people get applications in right up until 11 PM um when the when it closes. Also, if you're a non-resident, there's the junior tags are not um for non-resident youth, but we have all sorts of opportunities and actually our license is only fifteen bucks um for non-resident youth, so it's really easy for them to get in and uh start applying in Nevada and start building points and um they're they might get a tag as well.

SPEAKER_00 28:07

And when you say we'll be helping you until 11 p.m., you mean the three of us in this room and a lot of other people because I don't know that a lot of people expect that when they're trying to get stuff in at 1030 on the final night that there's a human on the other side trying to help you out. Yeah, it will be us.

SPEAKER_02 28:23

It will be us, um, and our staff will be on the phones and on the computers, all of us are logged in. We call it the war room, everybody's in one room and um we're helping, we're uh approving hunter education um certificates, we're helping people with applications, we're doing all the different things um right up until the end. And that number to call if you want to call us is 855-542-6369. Um or you can click the the support button or the help button on our uh endlicensing.com and that goes direct to us. It creates a help ticket, we get the help ticket with your email and all stuff and and you might just talk to me, Bobby or Logan, uh if you need it.

SPEAKER_00 29:07

So Yeah, and that yeah. For for applying from now to then, like please feel free to call if you need to if you're running into trouble or something's not working. Hopefully by now a lot of people are comfortable with the system and things are intuitive, but um there's people you know, stand by happy to help. This is uh this is kind of our time to help people apply.

SPEAKER_01 29:29

Yeah, applications are one of my favorite thing of the year.

SPEAKER_02 29:32

Yeah, we love talking about it. We love helping people be successful and hearing all the stories and then hopefully they're successful in that uh in the draw and we get to see some photos at the end and yeah. Or hear some funny stories about you know whatever, slipping and falling in the snow or missing a big buck or hitting getting the big buck or whatever. So going on a moose hunt. Going on a moose hunt, yep. So Alright guys, I think we're gonna wrap this one up. Lots of information. Uh again, eight five five five four two six three six nine endow licensing.com to apply, or endow.org uh outdoor education to find hunter ed classes, endow.org um hunting to find the top ten big game resources, all the information, publicly posted data, um you can export it, chop it up, put it in your own Excel spreadsheet, uh whatever you want, put it into AI and say what's my best odds of drawing a tag, um, anything like that. And uh yeah, good luck in the draw to you guys. Um and we'll uh we'll get you on the next one. That does it for this week, no matter what.